California law clearly states that a proposition that is not constitutional cannot be sustained. Proposition 8 has clear questions of equal protection of the law. For example, would it be constitutional if the voters of California enacted a proposition that said that people of different races could not marry? Obviously not. Just because the majority votes for something does not make it right or constitutional.
This is why I cant stand Liberals, who are destroying the value systems. Especially always going against the church. Im for prop 8, and im straight. Does gays getting married affect me??? YES. Because next thing you know, gays are trying to infringe on church rights and forcing them to marry..(cont)
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Why are liberals attempting to overturn valid legislation such as Prop 8?... by suing them, going against 2000 years of the teachings of christ and the church. And by doing that, the line between church %26amp; state is broken. WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DOES IT SAY GAYS CAN MARRY??? What "right" do they have?? Democracy is about the MAJORITY. Voting shouldnt mean **** anymore
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If I see gays trying to sue my church because my church wont marry them, then your damned right its my problem because thats MY CHURCH and MY BELIEFS. Gays have no fundamental right. And dont even compare this to what blacks went through. Youre an idiot if you do.
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Why are liberals attempting to overturn valid legislation such as Prop 8?You liberals and gays will try to use that "life, liberty, happiness" argument because thats ALL you can use. Nothing else backs you up. Yet its a lame argument. So some of u gays will sue for "happiness"? Then i should sue because Im not rich. See? Im not happy there.
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Consider, for a moment, that the people that voted for Prop 8 are in no way affected by the outcome. They go on with their daily lives, marriages, etc. Only the people who wanted to get married but can no longer do so have to live with the outcome. So to those who say "Why don't they just accept the majority vote?" Because they have to live with it, modify their lives, wonder if their recent marraiges will be upheld, etc. This has emotional, financial and legal consequences for ONLY the people who wanted to get married. Those who supported Prop 8 can easily let it go...it never was going to touch them.
The forefathers spoke against the "tyranny of the majority". People seeking to deny other people legal equality for no reason except a poorly articulated sense of religious zeal is a great examply of a tyranical majority. It should be no more your right to deny me legal equality than it should be my right to enslave you. The fact that either action might "work" for the majority of society doesn't make it any more acceptable.
If you allow the majority to trample the rights of minority groups what you get is Fascism.
Think about it: The Constitution guarantees that you cannot discriminate on the basis of religion. If the majority passes a vote to add this text: "only judeo-christian religions will be recognised". You would have managed to eliminate the rights of anyone who is not a christian. You would have had a majority vote so you could say it's ok - but it still goes against the very reason the Constitution exists: to protect minorities.
For this reason proposition 8 is going to be decided by the Courts again.
Because liberals understand, respect, and promote the tenants of the U.S. and California Constitutions, as well as the principals of representative democracy, equality, opportunity, community, fairness, liberty, justice, kindness, decency, and the realization that what promotes the happiness, healthiness, safety, and well being of any group (such as gay people, their friends, family, and loved ones) benefits society at large.
Furthermore they understand that we do NOT live under a pure democracy. We live under a representative democracy governed by a difficult to alter constitution that protects the core principals of our nation (and for California, state). The U.S. and California constitutions (not to mention many other state constitutions) are in part designed to protect minorities from the potential tyranny of a majority. Ultimately this protects EVERYONE equally, particularly since we are ALL minorities in one fashion or another. Of course, these core principals CAN be changed, but it's not as easy as having a simple majority agree to do so. It takes MORE. A lot more, to change these core principals.
The U.S. Constitution aside (which Prop 8 violates), in regard to the California State Constitution, Proposition 8 was ILLEGALLY enacted.
The California Supreme Court ruled last May that gay couples are entitled to equal treatment in marriage law under the equal protection provisions of the constitution. The "Equal Protection Under Law" provision on the California constitution is regarded as a core principal of the constitution. In order to alter any core principals, it takes a much more deliberative process to change it. It takes what is known as a "Constitutional Revision".
Unlike Constitutional Amendments to the California constitution (which can be enacted by a simple 50% +1 vote on a ballot initiative), Constitutional Revisions require either a Constitutional Convention, or the debate and passage by 2/3rds of both chambers of the California legislature, and THEN a vote of the people at the polls.
Since Proposition 8 is actually the revision of a core principal of the constitution (altering the equal protection under the law provisions to exclude gay couples from equal treatment under marriage law), then it is actually a REVISION, and therefore such a change CANNOT be enacted by simple majority vote on a ballot initiative.
Because they don't respect the Rule of Law and elections. The Gays that are protesting in the streets are acting like Facists and Bullys...When the people vote something into law, that is the rule. Listen, I am a McCain supporter..but Obama won, so does that mean I should march in the street like a Facist and protest that the election be overturned? That is the example I am giving...This is a nation of laws..We have elections and propositions that people vote on..So when it doesn't go in their favor, the Gays act like a brawling facist mob and attack anyone who feels differently. What is our country coming to? I fear for my country now...because the politicians are so afraid now that they will do anything to maintain their power...
Fredrick are you from the south? I highly doubt it because I am and I know of no place where they could "muster up" enough votes to take away the rights of blacks. I invite you to come to the south and see how we are. We do not hate blacks or want to take away their rights we work right along side minorities, they teach our children, we sit next to them in church, they watch our babies and we watch theirs. We are not the racists you paint us to be. We may vote republican but we always have me not voting for Obama has nothing to do with race and everything to do with his idea that babies are "punishment" for mistakes and he wants to limit our 2nd amendment rights. If it is a crime to hold fast to our God and our guns then lock me up but don't tell me it is because I feel God made non-whites to be lesser people because I do not feel this way.
Wow, do you think a vote against religious or racial equality would be passed through legislation? There is so much uproar because people know that this prop was unconstitutional. I'm sure in the 50s that the majority of white voting Americans of that time would have voted against racial equality. Sometimes certain rights need to represented by the constitutional law makers we have put into authority.
The government is not a place to pick and choose sins. It is here to make sure all people are created equal. The constitution applies to EVERYONE, not just straights and Christians. Most of the founding fathers were not even Christian, and they wrote this almost perfect guideline which is still being used hundreds of years later.
If you say marriage is a CHRISTIAN sanctity, then you exclude all other religions from this loving tradition. Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, and so forth. Think back just few years when it was illegal for whites to marry blacks. Those laws were backed by the CHRISTIAN leaders of the time. This is the same situation, and look at us spewing hatred again.
Get a life!! Who does it hurt if gays want to be married? Does it affect you? No! In fact, it would help bolster the economy. Sheesh.
And don't use the "teach it in school" argument. It was already legal in CA and wasn't taught in school then. I was NEVER taught anything about any kind of marriage when I was in school. And if my kids came home asking about it, I would tell them the truth and If I believed so, I would tell them that it was against our religion. End of Story
Popularity is not the end-all, be-all of laws in our country. The courts exist to test the legality of laws. Many people believe Prop 8 is unjust as it sanctions discrimination and should be overturned.
Technically, we are not a democracy. We are a Republic.
Liberal way of thinking: IF I DON"T GET MY WAY I WILL SUE!
So I guess since I didn't vote for Obama and he won I can get a group to protest and have the election results overturned...cool...who wants to join me?
That is the problem with America today...minority rules...forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't it used to be the MAJORITY RULES?????
Absolutely not. Our "democracy" (really a representative republic) was founded on the premise of equal rights for all.
Proposition 8 discriminates against a class of people. It is a clear violation of the 4th amendment of the US constitution.
The keyword here is "valid". Proposition 8 is discriminatory legislation, thus it is not "valid"; it's unconstitutional.
yes, democracy is great, but, the thing is, how is it furthering democracy, to let one group of people decide what rights another group of people get.
This film gives two scenarios of Prop 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQY6qeUxh鈥?/a>
Not protesting or not allowing those that feel the need to protest also undermines the essence of our democracy.
prop 8...undermines the constitution...it pretty much goes around the constitution to amend cali's constitution and the supreme court ruled in may that you can not do that...
No one should be able to vote to take away rights of another individual. It should have never been on the ballot in the first place.
They don't believe in voting unless it benefits them. Not necessarily Liberals. Remember CA is a Liberal state.
Democracy is only right if it is for their cause !
If not then they will get liberal judges to legislate from the bench .
Yes, they simply cannot accept such defeat, as Republicans and McCain supporters are.
There is nothing valid about one group taking another groups basic civil rights away.
Democracy is only their goal when it works in their favor.
Totally, but they don't care. They are acting like spoiled brats and someone needs to put them over their knee and give them a good spanking. Do we have any takers?
It is unconstitutional and it is going against civil rights. That is why.
As usual. Its unfair when liberal lose.
Because the FEDERAL Supreme Court has already outlawed discrimination in any form.
Its unconstitutional
You guys voted for socialism so live with it for the term.Big brother knows best ?
Yes it does. Let the majority have their way.
Liberals don't care about democracy. They care about a one party system. A one party system is communism.
YOur asuming that Liberals are small "d" democratic
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